okay, growing up a jw in the 70's 80's and early 90's, all we heard about was how the generation of 1914 will not pass away,(much like witnesses in the 60's and early 70's all heard about 1975) (what a great parallel) conventions, watchtower articles, public talks, endless studies and of course every issue of the awake magazine had it on the inside cover, it was everywhere, brothers, sisters and elders were absolutely sure about this, the society constantly mentioned it in our kingdom ministry (service), it was everywhere.
then with the change in november 1995, it just kinda disappeared and became unimportant.. does the society even mention "this generation will not pass away" anymore ?????.
seems to me, that the past 10 years, it has hardly been mentioned anywhere anymore.. what do you think ??
It was a false prohecy.
The loved and practiced this falsehood, but as it all became more evident they naturally covered it up for the sake of image.
Now, in proven fashion they
I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and know that no lie is of the truth.
yes, i know the old testament made up of the law(torah) and the prophets were written and handed down through time and kept by the jews,as can be seen to this day.
who put it together?
after all , wasn,t it the catholic church that kept the writings in the latin untill the time of the reformation, whereby it was only then translated into other languages?
The Bible: How and by whom was the bible put together?
However you look at it Catholics compiled it and kept it together for over a thousand years, then the protestants took out some bits and had their own 'bibles' (almost), and then after that folks like the jws got hold of it, and further "improved it".
But alas I could be wrong, it may have been those "jws that have always been there"
josephus as most know, was a jewish/roman 1st century historian.
he was well respected by the roman community and christians were zealous readers of his works.. he is one person christians use as a solid basis for proof of jesus earthly existence.
here is a quote that is used by some christians who strongly believe these words came from the hand of josephus himself,"now, there was about this time, jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure.
He is one person christians use as a solid basis for proof of Jesus earthly existence.
No they don't.
I can accept the qualification of "some christians" .
Why the accusation of "church fathers" - could have been a lone rogue monk
i have not been to the dc yet this year but i have a feeling i know exactly what they are going to say.
do not lose your urgency, keep awake!, dont fall asleep in this old system of things.
basically the same crap we have heard for years, decades, generations (pre-1995 understanding).
Neither is it a time to postpone Armageddon in one’s mind.
Yeh, don't go postponing Armageddon in your mind now - stay a freaked out freak or you'll fail !
answer: everyone, all together now..... mathew, mark, luke and john.. many years ago i was at a typical jw party get-together and they, of course, played your typical jw bible games.
it was a contest to see who could answer questions drawn from a hat.. one of the questions they pulled from the hat was"what are the four gospels of the bible?"..
you should have seen it... dead silence with everyone looking back and forth at each other.
That's enough to make me cringe - I find it hard to believe.
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Best you didn't give this answer:
the first living creature like a lion, the second living creature like an ox, the third living creature with the face of a man, and the fourth living creature like a flying eagle.
http://www.dispatch.com/news-story.php?story=dispatch/2006/06/26/20060626-b6-03.html arson damages jehovahs witnesses building blaze set in basement of worship hall monday, june 26, 2006 theodore decker the columbus dispatch
the fire that damaged a kingdom hall of jehovahs witnesses building in clinton township early yesterday was deliberately set, investigators say.
federal and local authorities are now searching for the arsonist or arsonists who broke into the hall at 4151 n. hickman rd., about a half-mile south of morse road.
Witnesses are taught not to be vindictive .......... "He’ll take care of it," Wiley said............
man, did i get that evil look from everyone around me.
they said because he was to be king, and all of the kings received gifts on their birthday, and how dare i presume to be like jesus.
i was confused.
I dreamed of being one of the "three wise men" when I was younger - they're good guys where I come from - intrepid and learned traveller guys on a quest, who give presents with no strings attached - kinda like Santa Clause I suppose.
man, did i get that evil look from everyone around me.
they said because he was to be king, and all of the kings received gifts on their birthday, and how dare i presume to be like jesus.
i was confused.
I a married man, could argue that the sexual advances of the cute redhead at the party could be accepted, and an "expression of appreciation" be made sometime afterward.
How "wrong" do jws see birthday celebrating as ?
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In their alternative 'satan star' interpretation did the wtbts not comprehend that divine intervention saw the magi give presents to assist in a flight to Egypt ?
Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, "Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there till I tell you
"as to your christian family + friends, you will realize that, if and / or when you tell them of your unbelief, you will find that these so called christians will leave you cold!!!
so much for christian love.".
"i agree with trashy... expect lots of time spent smacking yourself on the forehead, wondering how in the world you could have believed it for so long.
A Paduan: We continue to be divided by a common language. When I refer to 'Christians', I am including Jehovah's Witnesses ( and their 'mother' ).
Clearly, this is not the case, as you continue to post in the following manner.
If you are a Jehovah's Witness thinking about joining a church , please check out this message board .
Your written agenda, now and before, is to disway a Jehovahs Witness from joining a christian church. Your writing includes no qualification such as you have written of when queried on this, but rather, your thread topics remain a warning to Jehovahs Witnesses about 'joining a church' - namely 'a christian church'.
You do not use the language that is common to me, but alter and change - on this basis I still think that you are a Jehovahs Witness with the above agenda. The agenda is not of my concern as much as the methodology.
"but if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye not be consumed one of another.
" ( galatians 5:15 ).
"and withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tatlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
A Paduan: You interpret the expression, "Ye kill" ( James 4:2 ) very interestingly. It seems odd to me that that you feel that that expression can be used without indicating a background of severe hostility.
as I said - marginalising another I can believe -
You desire and do not have; so you kill.
if any one has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?
Any one who hates his brother is a murderer
You have condemned, you have killed the righteous man
while you say to the poor man, "Stand there," or, "Sit at my feet," have you not made distinctions among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts?
